Murray Sabrin Calls for Phasing Out Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid

Murray Sabrin called for phasing out Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, linking his proposals to the federal debt and interest burden.

In a Nov. 13 podcast episode, host Ryan McMaken interviewed Sabrin about what he calls the “welfare-warfare state.” Sabrin proposed private savings and nonprofit services as alternatives to the programs.

Sabrin said “something’s got to break” while discussing the debt, deficit and interest costs. His proposals were his own views; the episode did not announce a change in government policy.

Total public debt outstanding was $40.61 trillion on Nov. 12. The total includes debt held by the public and intragovernmental holdings.

The federal deficit for fiscal 2026 was $1.992 trillion, while net interest on the public debt was $1.142 trillion. The fiscal year ended Sept. 30.